Federer and Nadal in Shanghai

Another interesting result in Shanghai Masters 1000 this week.  Nadal loses again, this time to the #11 player in the world, Jurgen Melzer, who qualified for the doubles year-end championships already.  I don’t know what to say except that again, the cyclical results continue as Nadal falls to fairly weak competition when not in Grand Slam play.  Yes, I know that anyone can win a 2-out-3 format, but these losses on the heels of a dominant US Open performance still make you say “hmmm.”

Federer on the other hand, has had his best results in small events this season, with a dominant quarterfinal thrashing of Robin Soderling.  So much for Fed losing twice in a row to Robin.  He dispatched the giant Swede in 53 minutes, 6-1, 6-1.  Federer has suffered six losses to players outside the top 10 this season, so we cannot say that he is exempt from losing to lower ranked opponents.  Maybe he cycles too?  I don’t know, but I want there to be comprehensive testing so that young men and women who want to play professional sports have a choice as to whether they can follow their dream or sacrifice their health, which incidently is the exact opposite of what sports is about!


3 thoughts on “Federer and Nadal in Shanghai

  1. Rorshack says:

    I think you can leave skepticism at the door on this one where Nadal is concerned.

    First of all, Nadal played his 3rd CONSECUTIVE HC tourney. Not easy for his body but he made nearly two million bucks out of three appearances. Playing this much made Nadal tired. Murray,Djoker,Fed played less tournaments that Nadal did after USO.
    Second, Melzer played out of his mind, probably the best I’ve seen him play all year, next to his RG performance against Djoker. Melzer had like 37 winners in 3 sets and 14 aces. Nadal on the other hand made 27 UE in three sets, that’s a lot of mistakes for him. Melzer had 12 BP, Nadal had 4 if I am not mistaken.Notice that when Melzer had a slip up, he lost the set cause even tired Nadal is a handful for most players.

    I don’t see anything suspect with Nadal’s form after USO to be honest. He entered too many tourneys in the asian swing FOR MONEY and he arrived in Shanghai tired. He used the word tired quite a few times in his press conferences there. Now Nadal played the same fierce groundstroke/big serve game from USO in Bangkok and in Tokio. He had a few close calls but won tokio and IMO he should have won Bangkok as well but he had a very weird loss with GGL:

    Nadal had 26 BP’s, converted two. GGL had 1 BP and converted.
    Nadal actually won 5 more points overall but lost.
    For those watching the match, if Nadal had focused, GGL could have been bageled in the second set.

    Now if Nadal would have won both Bangkok and Tokio, you wouldn’t have said much about his form cause I did not see you post anything when he won Tokio. In Shanghai it was a very different story. Serve clicked a bit, but groundstrokes didn’t. Groundstrokes routinely fell short with wawrinka and melzer and Nadal looked slower on court. He even said he felt sluggish on court after the loss to melzer.

    So the argument for doping would be that Nadal doped for a 250(bangkok) and a 500(Tokio) but he didn’t for a MASTERS tourney. Sorry, but sounds pretty weak to me. Nadal’s losses(or near losses) after USO confirmed what I’ve always known about him, that he is most vulnerable in a shorter format(two outta three) on fast courts. But he is and was totally diferent in HC slams. Almost everyone that took out Nadal in a HC slam was red hot in that tourney:

    AO 2005 – 4R, beaten in five sets by Hewitt, Hewitt reached the final, beaten by Safin who took out Fed.
    USO 2005 -3R, beaten in four by Blake, who reached the QF, losing by a hair to Agassi(five sets, 8-6 in the final tie), the eventual finalist.
    USO 2006 – QF, lost to Youzhny, who was on a roll that USO. Youzhny lost in four sets in SF to Roddick.
    AO 2007 – QF, lost to Gonzalez, the eventual finalist.
    USO 2007 – lost in 4R to Ferrer, but Nadal had physical problems in this match. BTW, Ferrer reached SF in that tourney.
    AO 2008 – lost to red hot Tsonga in SF. Tsonga obviously made finals.
    USO 2008 – lost to Murray in SF.
    USO 2009 – lost to DelPo, the eventual champ.
    AO 2010 – lost to Murray, the eventual finalist.

    In this whole five year period, Nadal lost to some lower ranked guys in two outta three on HC but it took a red hot guy to take him out of HC slams.

    Blake was playing some great tennis when he beat Nadal and almost took out a certain Agassi. Tsonga basically started his career with AO 2008 performance. Ferrer had the best year of his life in 2007 when he beat Nadal. Ditto for Gonzalez. Murray had his real breakthrough year in 2008, when he made his first slam final. DelPo not only rose like a rocket in 2009 but beat Fedal to become USO champ and even made WTF finals that year. Almost of these guys were top 10, most(without ferrer,gonzalez and tsonga) were even top 5 at a time in their career. These are not Garcia Lopez’s if you know what I am saying.

    • Rikyu Sen says:

      Take a gander at this article:


      “n an interview with Belgian newspaper La Derniere Heure, the retiring Christophe Rochus has said he believes doping takes place in tennis and that he “would not be against” the legalization of performance-enhancing drugs.

      “There’s a lot of cheating. Simply, people don’t like to talk about it,” he said. “I simply would like to stop the pretending. This hypocrisy is exasperating.”

      Rochus, who said he received a warning letter from the ATP after speaking out on the issue in the past, estimated he received 10-15 tests a year for ten years under the anti-doping program but believed some players managed to evade the system.

      “I’ve seen things like everyone else. For me, it’s inconceivable to play for five hours in the sun and come back like a rabbit the next day,” he said. “I remember a match against a guy whose name I will not say. I won the first set 6-1, very easily. He went to the bathroom and came back metamorphosized. He led 5-3 in the second set and when I came back to 5-5… his nose began bleeding. I told myself it was all very strange….”

      • problemsolvergene says:

        This is a great article. Love the quote about playing for 5 hours in the sun and coming back like a “rabbit” the next day. One player in particular comes to mind when I hear something like that…

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